Whether or not there is a technical recession of half a percent makes little difference.
You mentioned the banking sector. How do you assess the outlook for deposits, which this year have become perhaps the most attractive way for Russians to preserve their savings? How long can this continue?The Russian government is quite rational in its economic decision-making. Can it borrow in the domestic market? Absolutely. The Ministry of Finance has demonstrated this clearly. The small cut to the key rate on June 6 led to a nearly 2.5 percentage point
drop in government bond yields. And [Finance Minister Anton] Siluanov
said in June that the government plans to borrow RUB 500 billion a month.
So, there is no problem with where or from whom to borrow. The government has the ability to raise debt. Moreover, a deficit of 1.7% of GDP is not the same as 5.0% – it is manageable. There are tools to cover the shortfall and finance expenditures. There is no default on the horizon.
The same applies to deposits. Deposits remain the main source of funding for banks. All the talk about freezing deposits is pure panic.
Recall that Putin’s strategy since October 2022 has been to make sure the public “does not know” that a war is going on. Officially, it is just a “special military operation,” being conducted somewhere far away by professional soldiers and volunteers. Meanwhile, ordinary people can go on living their lives, going to the movies, dining out, traveling.
If the government suddenly announced that it needed to freeze deposits to defeat Ukraine, this would trigger a major shift in public perception. It would mean that Putin had failed, that the economy would be sacrificed for a reckless idea and that the promise of a stable and comfortable life had been abandoned.
For 25 years, Russians have learned to trust their banks. Various guarantees have been put in place. And now the state is going to destroy all of that? For what – for a deficit of just 1.5% of GDP? That is an absurd proposition.
You mentioned the warnings voiced at SPIEF. I will also quote a recent comment by German Gref, who said 2026 could be difficult, adding: “a lot will depend on geopolitics…” This is a clear reference to the war. Perhaps these are not just warnings, but signs of unrest within the elite. Could this influence political processes?Discontent has been simmering for a long time. We are moving in a very dangerous direction. We can keep going like this for quite a while, just like it took the Soviet Union years to collapse. But the longer we go, the more devastating the outcome is likely to be.
Russian business today finds itself in a contradictory situation. Recently, it was announced that Sberbank would pay out a record RUB 787 billion
dividend for 2024. That is an astronomical sum – it
exceeds all overdue consumer loan payments in Russia.
Yet Gref is out there telling us how tough things are for them? The bank’s profits grow every year because interest rates are so high. So his complaints are disingenuous.
The same goes for [Andrei]
Kostin at VTB. Neither Sberbank nor VTB is at risk of collapse – the Central Bank will always bail them out if necessary.
But there is another part of the business community, and that is where the real problems lie. When [Severstal CEO Alexei] Mordashov
says that metallurgical output has dropped by 15%, he is telling the truth. Only about 6-7% of metal production goes to defense. Around half of it went to construction, but construction has come to a standstill. Naturally, output of steel and other products is falling. These firms are under serious pressure.
Coal miners are in even worse shape. Whole towns and regions depend on them. So when business leaders say, “you are crushing us with high interest rates,” they are not exaggerating.